PbNation to NPPL, We’re Sorry, Kinda

pbnvsnppl-cropped.pngThe stupid saga of PbNation and NPPL continues.

Now, Ed won’t close the NPPL forum, but the ban on NPPL.tv and NPPLLive.com are still there. Way to stand up for something only half-assed.

And the thread is now full of mods and admins trying to defend the owner’s dumbass actions. He should’ve never gotten involved in the first place. If anyone should’ve gotten involved, it would be MWAG, Derder, or Traumahead, not PbNation. But have any of them made a statement? Not to my knowledge. They’re keeping quiet, probably trying to talk to the NPPL or just let it happen and just filmed the other fields.

And, is any other site getting involved with this? Nope. They aren’t going to touch it with a 20 foot pole. It’s a bonehead move to ban the largest (or second, I don’t really know) tournament series.

And they’re still saying that they’re doing it for the “little guy”. Bullshit. When has PbNation been for the little guy? O, that’s right, never. This is all about the possible loss of revenue from MWAG.

Also, the supposed shaft they all were getting? Not so bad. The NPPL told them a week before hand and didn’t charge for the media passes, supposedly. Others, ones related to PbNation, are saying they got the Joan Collins special. I’m thinking no one has the facts straight, but I’ve got to side with the NPPL on this one until I hear otherwise.

But we still have ridiculous statements from mods.

So reminiscent of the Smart Parts thing. Rational thinking vs. Hype. Sacrifice morals for profit.

What? Why the hell haven’t you banned Smart Parts then? They’ve pulled so much more crap than the NPPL has ever done. But has PbNation ever made a stand against them? Hell no. I guess it’s probably due to all the money they give you to advertise. And you wonder why people doubt you.

All you care about is money. You care about paintball indirectly. It brings in the money, so you have to care about it. If you don’t, the money dries up.

To PbNation. You don’t find out how much power you have until you have none at all. You’re pretty close to none.

NPPL Boston Wrap-Up

The Boston NPPL has come to a close. It’s been an interesting one with Fox Sports filming it’s TV show, causing controversy by closing off the center field for filming by smaller companies, with PbNation being a dumbass the whole way.

But what about the important part, how the teams did? The Portland Naughty Dogs did great during the prelims, only losing 1 game, but failed to bring that momentum into the “Elite 8” where they finished 6th.

Dynasty, who made 4th in the prelims, went into the finals in the number 1 spot playing Infamous, while the All Americans played Joy Division.

Dynasty beat Infamous with 2 wins and a draw, while Joy Division beat the All Americans in 2 games.

For the semi-pro division, Texas native X-Factor took home the gold beating Aftermath. Rock-It Kids placed first in Division I taking out everybody’s favorite team, or not, HK in the “Elite 8.” SYP Epic and FYT won in Division II and III respectively.

Top 4 from each division:


  1. San Diego Dynasty
  2. Los Angeles Infamous
  3. Stockholm Joy Division
  4. Pittsburgh All Americans


  1. SA X-Factor
  2. SD Aftermath
  3. Boston Paintball
  4. Redz Infamy

Division I:

  1. Rock-It Kids
  2. Naughty by Nature
  3. Dynasty Entourage
  4. Miami Devious

Division II:

  1. SCP Epic
  2. NeX
  3. Splat Kids
  4. STD Factory

Division III:

  1. FYT
  2. Team RNT
  3. Air Assault Factory
  4. Storm Riders


PbNation to NPPL, We’re Hypocrites

pbnvsnppl-cropped.pngPbNation has made another post going into more detail about the whole NPPL issue.

Here’s the deal. The NPPL excluded films crews to film the center court, and only the center court, for the Boston NPPL. PbNation didn’t like this because it affects MWAG (they can give other reasons, but it’s MWAG), so they decide to exclude the NPPL in their forums by censoring NPPL sites like NPPLLive.com and NPPL.tv and closing the NPPL forum, though that’s now up in the air.

Seems kinda childish and hypocritical to me. It’s like a kid getting his bottle taken away, so he takes the other kid’s toy away to make it even.

Let’s just go through some of the absolutely ridiculous statements he made.

We are and have been 100% in support of paintball leagues, including the NPPL.

That’s why we’re censoring NPPL sites and possibly closing the NPPL forums, because we support them.

Cutting media is not growing the sport it is going backwards.

Last time I checked, NPPLLive.com was media. You’re cutting them from the site. Seems like you’re causing the sport to go backwards.

MWAG didn’t ask us to do anything.

Possibly, but if it was some other company that you weren’t “best friends” with, would you still do this? Nope, you wouldn’t give them the time of the day.

Excluding isn’t the right thing to do.

Like excluding the NPPL from your forums?

PbNation placing the NPPL on the swear filter is a symbolic act at best as it will have almost no impact on the operations of the league, players or industry.

So when you add something to the swear filter, it doesn’t affect them? So I guess that whole Virtue crap was just a ruse.

I think I need to reconsider completing closing the NPPL forum. I’ll certainly do that in the next few days and as you know the NPPL forum is still open and was never closed.

Translation: I don’t have as much power over everyone as I thought I did, so I’m going to keep the NPPL forum open, since I almost screwed myself over and almost lost a lot of users.

So PbNation, fix it. Remove the sites from the swear filter and don’t touch the NPPL forum. You really are just digging yourself a deeper hole and pissing more people off with all of your shenanigans. If you keep it up, there will be a site to take your place just like you took PbCity’s place.

PbNation And NPPL Break Up

pbnvsnppl-cropped.pngAww, it’s so sad to see such a cute couple break it off, but that’s just what PbNation is doing. They’ve had enough of the NPPL and all their shenanigans.

So what was it that finally caused them to break it off? The NPPL won’t allow people to film the center court due to their deal with Fox Sports. Yes, a forum that doesn’t film anything and has no use for center court filming is banning the NPPL from their forum because of it.

That sounds a little weird, doesn’t it? But they say that it’s hurting Monkey With A Gun productions and they’ve had a long standing relationship with them.

But people are completely behind PbNation, saying it’s a great move. Really? Great move? Come on, now. You think they did this for the “greater good”.

If I know Ed, which I’m going to say I do, he did this for nothing other than money. PbNation has a business relationship with MWAG. They give them a forum and sell their DVDs, which I’m sure they’re making a decent profit from. If MWAG can’t film, it’ll take longer and be harder to make their next DVD, which means they can’t sell it, which, in turn, means PbNation doesn’t make any profit from selling it.

It’s all about money kids. The NPPL did the Fox Sports deal for money, and PbNation bans NPPL for money. Hell, they could also be pissed that they aren’t getting a cut from the Fox Sports.

The reason why Fox Sports wants exclusive use of the field is because if other people film, they could release films of the games before it airs causing less people to watch it on TV.

How many of you would watch a football game if you could’ve watched it hours or days before?

I wouldn’t. I completely understand why they wanted the rights. They are making a decent sized investment in this, and they don’t want some random guy showing up and taking away viewers.

But here’s the thing, does the NPPL need PbNation? Nope. They’ll be on TV soon enough, and people will look for the NPPL after watching. They aren’t going to look for PbNation or even know what it is.

Personally, I think it’s time for NPPL, or more precisely their parent company, Pacific Paintball, to get involved in the whole web game. The just bought PB2X. Buying or creating a forum or “social networking site” definitely isn’t out of their reach. And with 2 larger companies like the NPPL and PB2X backing it, it can probably succeed pretty quickly.

Does PbNation need the NPPL? Yes, probably. It definitely won’t be in their favor in the long run. A good amount of users go to the NPPL forum everyday. Some might stick around, but a lot will just migrate to one of the other forums out there that allows the NPPL. It’s not like it won’t be hard to find another.

Banning the largest paintball tournament series? Yeah, slick move PbNation. You’ve put your own money grubbing interests over your users yet again.

Boston Webcast Starts Tomorrow at NPPLLive.com

The NPPL Boston starts tomorrow, which also means their webcast at NPPLLive.com (technically here) also starts tomorrow.

The feed is free to watch, and pretty entertaining at that. It starts at 10 AM Eastern or 9 AM Central or 7 AM Pacific. It’ll be on July 13th through 15th, going up to the award ceremony.

If you have problems viewing the feed from in the browser, you can add this playlist to your media player:

If you want to go even further, the actual direct stream is:

If you plan on ripping the entire stream, have fun. It’ll add up to about 1 GB a day.